Just a little to the left, but even a little more to the Right.
Published on July 11, 2015 By Lee1776 In Politics

I just read in a Financial Time article that Hillary is going to roll out her economic programs that will help the struggling Middle Class in America.

As she prepares to outline her economic vision for the country in a high-profile address on Monday in New York, Mrs Clinton’s team is betting that a rollout of popular, middle-class friendly policies such as paid sick leave and universal prekindergarten provision will help to reset the debate”


Paid Sick leave and Prekindergarten????  That's not middle class problems.  Most of the middle class already work for companies the provide Paid Leave and the middle class can afford Preschools.  That is all lower class programs.

When are people going to start labeling programs for who they really help.  What middle class people want are better/safer parks, safe retirement investments, and to stop paying so many taxes (to support the lower class) so they themselves do not become lower class.  It was the Middle Class that has seen their health insurance either stripped from their company benefits or shoot through the roof, in order to support the Lower Class Health Care.

Please give me your ideas of what you think the Middle Class cares about.

on Feb 05, 2016

Now for the second installment of this blog.  This one comes from FEELTHEBERN.ORG about the how Sander's will help the Middle Class.  But does the Middle Class REALLY want this help???  Will these goals (matched with his others) REALLY help or hurt the Middle Class???? Or is this just another gift to the lower class wrapped in words to make people think it will help the middle class.

I will try a point by point answer as time allows me to.  But I will start with this point:


1. In order to rebuild the American middle class and boost the economy, the federal minimum wage should be a living wage.

Ahhh, the trickle up economics theory.  Just wrapped in new words.  How has that worked for Venezuela, even when the country was awash with Oil money and massive amounts was spent on assisting the lower class, the lower class never moved up to the middle class and the vast majority of middle (and upper) class moved down to the lower class when their companies/bussinesses collapsed because they could not afford to pay the Government required wages.

A Middle class American that owns a business works hard to create a business to move up to the upper class.  Jobs are created as a byproduct to make that happen.  If the middle class employer can not afford to pay for labor to make the business survive, not only the lower class hurt by not receiving those jobs, but the middle class owner joins the ranks of the lower class.  Have you ever been employed by a poor person?  Please don't say my Government job is to support the lower class, because the lower class generally pays little to no taxes.

The movie Norma Rae was a great production.  I know you felt your heart warm when all those employee shut down work for better pay.  The sad thing is J.P. Stevens textile mill is no longer in operation and company had gone bankrupt because they could not afford to pay such wages. Now there are no jobs for anybody (lower or middle class).


2. “Let’s be clear: one of the major reasons that the middle class in America is disappearing, poverty is increasing and the gap between the rich and everyone else is growing wider and wider is due to our disastrous unfettered free trade policy.”


"I want to see the Chinese people do as well, but I do not want to see the collapse of the American middle class take place, and I will fight against that as hard as I can"


“Rebuilding the country’s infrastructure, transforming America’s energy system, rebuilding the nation’s manufacturing sector, and helping small businesses create jobs are the most effective ways to create jobs and expand the ranks of the middle class.”


“at a time when the richest people in this country are becoming richer and the middle class is disappearing, it is beyond shameful to cut food programs and nutrition programs.”


and invest more in social programs that help more Americans get ahead — particularly in the face of a dwindling middle-class — and in turn encourage more equitable, sustainable economic growth for the entire country.


Always proud of American military service members’ contributions to our country, Bernie regularly advocated for this piece of legislation allowing millions of military members and veterans to attend public schools 100 percent tuition-free, aiming to allow millions to enter the middle class

on Feb 05, 2016

We need politicians with the wisdom & cojones to back off (quit 'helping' us) and allow America to be a modestly, decently successful country again (let alone 'great').  No more 'making' American anything (by any of our effed up politicians).  We've got this without them.  Figuratively speaking, we'd all be better off (not perfect, just better off) if the government just got the f**k out of our way.  We'll see none such brave politicians during the remainder of my life, but that's my opinion.  YMMV.

on Feb 06, 2016

Daiwa, I agree completely.  The hardest part is first finding a Person who has cojones that will not us them to gather more power to fight government, just to end up leaving the door open for the next guy to use the same powers to create more government.

The second hardest part getting others to vote them into office.  On one side you have 30% of the people who really want the Government to protect them and do everything for them.  Then you have another 30% who will just vote for the wolf in sheep's cloths because the wolf labels itself with an ideology the voter always votes for.  That leaves only 40% who have not been suckered into the first two groups.  But will that last 40% have the conviction to get up and pull that lever?

on Feb 07, 2016

years ago, a friend and roommate--at the time, a nascent writer who would become, of all things, a professional poet--arranged a party at our home to celebrate a reading by local artists elevated by virtue of a special guest: allen ginsberg.  ginsberg had agreed to be interviewed later that evening by my friend for a local publication.  one question--i can't recall what was being asked--was framed in the context of how "the people" (read proletariat) should or shouldn't respond to whatever it was.  ginsberg snarled, "the people?  the people?  who the fuck are the people?"

totally bereft of disdain, i've a somewhat similar response to your proposition: in 2016 usa who the fuck are the middle class? 

on Feb 08, 2016

Awesome question Bee.  I myself, when I started working this angle, had to do a little looking around to find that answer, .


There is no direct answer and everyone would have their own opinion.  You could go by income, but that could be deceptive.  Because a family making 45k a year living in Oklahoma can be considered middle Class, while a person making the same amount in say New York or Hawaii would not.  


Also some people consider profession a marker too.  Even though many school teachers and collage professors can be considered middle class by some people, they are generally paid rather poorly in their starting to mid years.


Lets also think of how a person lives.  A person can make good money, but still live paycheck to paycheck, due to a gambling or drug problems.  Another example, such as myself during one period of my life, used most of my income to support my elderly parents.


So I would judge the following:


  1. A family unit that makes 45k-150k a year (depending on location)
  2. A processional such as an accountant, supervisor of a company unit, low level manager or later in years civil service employee.  Military/Police/Fire/Nursing grades of Senior Sergeants into the officer ranks.  Junior Lawyers, Doctors, and Investment managers who are members of a group, but have not reach the Senior levels or partnerships.  Small business or small Incorporated farm owners.
  3. Generally people secure enough financially, who do not need to worry where they will by living if they lose a few paychecks.  They are at the point where they have the excess income to either invest or participate in activities that require a financial thought to coordinate.


This is my thoughts, do you agree?

on Feb 09, 2016

quantifying/defining what constitutes a middle class in contemporary america is sufficiently complex to warrant application of justice stewarti's mystical approximation of obscenity as so elusive it defies legal description and therefore able only to be "known" when encountered.

 it's a concept more relevant to europe since--at least officially--there's no provision for aristocracy and thus no conventional upper class in america.  there is a class of people whose wealth sustains a luxurious lifestyle, laboring (or not) completely at their own discretion. additionally that same wealth provides its owners disproportionately favorable opportunity to modify our cultural and legal environment they may look, smell, act and believe themselves to constitute our own upper class, but--with apologies to mae west--class has nothing to do with it.

i think high, middle and low income better describe the strata.

regarding your three criteria:

1 seems arbitrary and--in my opinion--thousands of earned dollars too low. us gdp is roughly $17,420,000,000,000 but those of us who wind up with close to our 3,180,000,000th share of that pie are most likely only a check or two away from potential freefall.

2. business owners, independently operating professionals, authentic craftspeople, managing executives (not executive officers on one end nor sales executives on the other) might make the cut.

3. this seems correct to me.  permanent life on the verge shouldn't be the norm.

on Feb 09, 2016

Upper Class.... those who avoid tax.

Middle Class...those who pay tax.

Lower Class...those who are supported by tax.


Applies universally....

on Feb 10, 2016

Jafo has a good handle on it.

on Feb 10, 2016

consider this a purely anecdotal observation:

from age 8 through 16, i lived in a suburb of detroit consisting of mostly two-story multi-bedroom/multi-bathroom brick homes occupied by their owners, single families whose single wage earner held blue-collar jobs at local car factories, steel mills, oil refineries, chemical plants, foundries and other manufacturers. female parents in only two of perhaps fifty families of kids with whom i hung out worked and both were single (1 was widowed, another divorced). every household had at least one car, almost all of which were less than two years old. 10-20% owned two cars. everyone i knew well vacationed for at least a single week annually, many were gone for two weeks a year and some of their fathers also went on multi-day hunting trips.  about two thirds of my friends attended parochial schools with me. 

i'm fairly sure my friends' fathers correctly considered themselves exactly what they were then: blue-collar members of the working class who hoped their children would enjoy an even more comfortable existence as members of the middle class.




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